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Shnar Gru

Edit this page (last edited April 10, 2006)


User Name: Shnar Gru

ShNar-gRu was an orc character I'd created many years ago on the Beleriand Mush, and whenever I need to create a "unique" username on another website, I've always used "shnar", the shortened version of ShNar-gRu. It's unique, that's for sure, and the shorter, all lower case version is easier for people to remember.

- Shnar Gru

P.S. The strange case found in my name was my attempt on a text-only game to show that the character had a speech impediment, talked with a slur of sorts.





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--- I was hoping that u could replace the top right banner with this one because I don't have access to change it.


Can you change "WIKI HOME" to "LOTR WIKI", and make it multi-line (i.e. LOTR on the top with WIKI beneath it). Otherwise, I like it.

-Shnar Gru

I have edited it, now it looks much much better Also you can upload it to your own server or use the image link itself.


Heh, now I'm going to get picky. I liked the white glow on the older one, around the figure. And the dark outline around the words looked better too, making it easier to read "Lot R Wiki". The layout is good, but the blues are too close to each other, a little hard to read.
-Shnar Gru

Is this better now? Or would you like some coffee with it?


Heh, great ('cept that last elf, he doesn't have the glow ;)). I'll put a Random function on the link
-Shnar Gru

Hey Shnar, any chance you could add a Battlefields of Middle Eath section to the terrain? I have a work in progress to post up, but I don't know if I can add a new section like that and have it show up on the quick links to the left. Thanks.

-Elrond The Avenger

What do you mean by "Battlefields"? BGi ME? If so, there already is a section for that Gaming/Battle Games In Middle Earth. You are correct though, all those links on the side are hardcoded and so if we want to add/rearrange those links, I have to do it. The only "content" on our site that's not controllable by our users

-Shnar Gru

Oops, I meant Building Middle Eath. D'oh.
-Elrond The Avenger

Still not sure what "Building Middle Earth" refers to though. Do you mean terrain projects for specific regions? BTW, got the small logo to rotate randomly between your 5 images.

-Shnar Gru

He meant something like this: Sorry about the non glow on the elf. I was a little rushed

Ok, I see. I'm going to say for now, not yet. As we "build Middle Earth", just put the projects in the Terrain section where they feel right (i.e. probably either Natural or Buildings). Once we get enough articles on specific locations of Middle Earth, then we can move everything to a new "Building Middle Earth" section. Something like at least 5 specific articles on stuff (like a few on Helm's Deep, Mordor, etc.). Until then, put the articles in the other sections.

For now, I don't think we have enough content to justify another subpage. Let's keep it simple until we need to reorg (especially with the new Rename Page feature, it'll be a snap to reorg things).

-Shnar Gru

P.S. As for the elf, no worries. If you wanna update it, you can. Also, if you wanna create some additional ones to put in the randomizor, just post them up and I'll move them to my server

Hi, Shnar Gru, this is UGLUK1000, you moved my page called projects onto my users page, I have a few questions.

a, when I create a page by using a search box, where does it appear

b, If I know where it is, how can I move it.

Thankyou, this website really is cool, but unfortunatly all the info in "help" or "sandbox" goes straight over my head, Im under 15 years old lets say, so please be patient, I love lord of rings. P.S, is this website i.e you american?


Also, you said on my page: I've taken the libery of moving your Project as a subpage here, since the apostrophe was giving Wiki a headache. -Apostrophe giving you a headache? What do you mean?

Don't fret over the time it takes to understand how wiki works. The idea that the entire website is editable takes a while to grasp, and then figuring out how it works can take some time too. But, it's fortunately a short learning curve. Your questions will pretty much be the only questions, once answered, you're all set.

A) There are two ways to create a page. Either through the search box, or by editing a page and adding a Wiki Name. Then after saving the page, you can click on the questionmark to create the page. In both cases, the page is created the same way. If there are no forward slashes in the name, then it's considered part of the root level. For example, all users are on the root level, as is Gaming, Message Board, Lord Of The Rings Strategy Battle Game, etc.

If the name contains a Forward Slash (i.e. the / character) then the page is created as a subpage of whatever is before the forward slash. For example, Miniatures/Painting, Painting becomes a subpage of Miniatures. This can be as many "levels" deep as you want. Such as Miniatures/Painting/Banners. Banners is a subpage of Painting, which is a subpage of Miniatures.

So, when you enter a name in the search box and it doesn't exist, you can create it. If you enter a name with a slash in it, it will be created as a subpage of whatever is in front of the page. For example, if you enter UGLUK1000 (and let's pretend your page didn't exist yet), then the page UGLUK1000 would be created. If you entered UGLUK1000/Miniature Gallery, then a new page called MiniatureGallery would be created as a subpage of UGLUK1000.

All in all, it's easiest to create subpages by editing the parent page and adding the ./NewPageName. For example, to create your MiniatureGallery on your own page, go edit your page and add ./MiniatureGallery and after you save and click on the questionmark to create the page, the new page will be a subpage of UGLUK1000 because of that dot-slash.

Oh, and one more thing to confuse you, there are such things as Templates. Instead of doing ./MiniatureGallery on your userpage, put in this text instead MiniatureGalleryTemplate->./MiniatureGallery then when you click on the questionmark to create the page, instead of a blank page, all the text from the Template page will be copied in to help start the page.

B) Moving a page is really just renaming a page. At the bottom of each page is a link that states "Rename This Page". Clicking on it will allow you to give the page a different name. To take an existing page and put it somewhere else, you rename it to have a different pagename before the forward slashes. For example, if you created a page called UgluksMiniatures and I felt it should be your Miniature Gallery as a child page of your userpage, I would rename it to UGLUK1000/MiniatureGallery. I would then probably add a link to the page on your userpage.

C) Apostrophes in a Wiki Name. Try not to put them in. Giving me a headache means that it's causing errors with the wiki code. The best way to make a page is to have no spaces, no underscores, no special characters, basically just alphabet characters and numbers, all squished together with more than one capital letter.

There you have it. Oh, and while it's definately ok to put this question on my page, it might be better to put it as a subpage on the Message Board, that way others can answer the question if I don't get around to it

-Shnar Gru

P.S. Yes, I'm American and this webpage is hosted on an American server. I'm based out of Utah.

-Thee Utah, In goldmember? with desert un stuff? Certainly aint England - UGLUK1000

Yes, the Utah. There's only one now. It's not what you would consider a classic desert though. Sure, it's a wilderness or desert, but it's not like the Sahara where it's all sand. Plus with the Rockies so near, we have the best snow on the earth for skiing - -Shnar Gru

Sounds great, now where's that plane ticket. -UGLUK1000

Hey, r there any other battle postings up on this site? Cause i wanna laf at ppl who lost. Lol, nah, im nice inside, it is just fun looking at ppls startegies and trying to help them win next time. Im not that bad, really.

Neix J

I've noticed that on the Recent Changes there is one page with "this page will be destroyed" on, why? Porn or summut?


If you mark a page with the command #DEPRECATED it is flagged for deletion. I am the only one who can truly delete a page. I run a script that deletes any #DEPRECATED pages and *poof* they're gone.

-Shnar Gru
Cool.... Al hail teh powerfull page destroying Shnar Gru! *bows*

Neix J

Yes *UGLUK1000 also bows*, but why did you delete that page? By the way, pictures of my fortress and other scenery are going on my page tonight, because of the time rift way over there in that country you call america, (which is actully USA as my gepgraphy teacher keeps on reminding me) I've predicted they'll come on about 11pm.


I'm not sure which page you're referring to. There's a few pages that are marked for deprecation right now. Typically, a page gets marked because it's either a junk page someone created (which may have porn) or usually it's a page created by accident. The author meant to create a different page, and usually does, and then marks the original page for deprecation.

As with almost everything wiki, anyone can mark a page for deprecation. I'm just the only one who can run the script that does the actual deletion. Typically, if you see a page marked for deprecation and want to know why, look at the history of the page and you usually can see why...

-Shnar Gru

Oh, after seeing you couldn't subscribe to BGIME I was wondering. I don't mean to rub it in but in UK, you get all the free gifts, balins tomb podium is mint, great for displaying all the fellowship, which I have just finished with Merry and Pippin in my last mag. Wait - I am rubbing it in. I'd sell my balins tomb for £12 or $25, if anyones interested. (I'd buy some rangers with the procedes) Anyone interested can contact me on my page, I'd sell it one Ebay if anyone asked.


Oh, I know you's all in the UK get extra special treatment. You should feel good about yourself, one of the few times you get it better than us in the states...

-Shnar Gru
How much do people know about England over there, I mean, in films or "movies" it's all: LA, NY, San Fran, Las Vegas, but do you even know five of our cities? I just realised, UK is so dull, *UGLUK sighs* we live where we live. Do you know 5 cities? And what famous about england over there, apart from the mint accent of course.


I do hope you realize I was being facetious. I don't want to get into a political tirad here, if you wanna do that, start a thread up on the Message Board.

As for England, most of the yanks I know love the Brits. I've been to Scotland a few times (never made it down to England though) and it most certainly is not dull. Europe in general has that amazing depth of history that Americans aren't used to. Something you probably take for granted now, saying your country is dull

-Shnar Gru

Sorry got carried away,

Now, that I didn't know, I suppose you don't have much history, so are your history lessons a doddle, or do you just learn about us? I suppose you could learn about your native people.

Compared to america, Europe's dull - ish, becasue it's just good for history and not the geography, you live next to one of the world's biggest mountain ranges. In America everything's bigger and better and cheaper. By the way, Check these out: UGLUK1000/Projects


Are you kidding? You have some of the more amazing locations in the world, especially if you're a Tolkien fan. The Highlands of Scotland were beautiful. The Alps are stunning. Different from our Rockies. Yes, our Rockies are huge (I can testify as I live right on their doorstep) but they're, well, different. The Alps feel, I dunno, more healthy? Both lands have greatness in them, you just have to open your eyes. As someone said, you have to leave to truly appreciate what you've got.

As for our history classes, the general courses from Grade School and High School are mainly ancient history (Mesepotanians, Egypt, Greeks, etc), then European history, then American (i.e. U.S.) history. When I went through school (mid-eighties) there was very little focus on South American history, Native Americans (except how they were lied to and thrashed by us Europeans when America was first settled), and even hardly anything of Asian history. It's not until college years that you can pick-and-choose your classes to learn a more in-depth view of history. Well, that and cable. I love the History channel

-Shnar Gru

Yeah, we did kick butt in those days. In those days, we had the biggest empire in the world! Austrailia, Canda, Africa, we had it all, bit selfish really! I did see the alps once when on the way to Italy, it was cloudly though

Shnar Gru, Thanks for chnging my name i changed user prefrences.

-Mightof Gondor
Shnar Gru I've finished my wood elf tree platform, I reckon it could contend with yours!


Is it me, or has Shnar Gru abandoned this website! I haven't heard of hims for ages(weeks)


Yeah,I think he might have! or maybe he's on holiday or something... hmmm....

-King Of Gondor
I'm still here. If you check the Recent Changes page, you'll see I usually visit the site everyday. I don't however have the time to contribute a lot. Most of the time I'm making sure there aren't any major vandales. Ever since I got laid off (March) I haven't had time to devote to gaming. I'm starting my own software development company (see Sys Onyx) and so it's sucking up all my time. I will eventually get back to Lot R Gaming, as you know I have tons of projects I still want to tackle. But for now, the all-mighty-dollar is king and I need to get products selling or I lose my house, and that would suck for me and my family.

But who cares if I'm here or not? That's the greatest think about wiki, if the creator falls out, the site can continue to grow! Ah I love this site

Ugluk, I finally saw your pictures (at home I'm on a dial-up, so it's hard for me to get images, but I was able to borrow someone's highspeed last week so saw the images finally). It's pretty good. Similar approach to mine as well. My platforms are a bit different though. Your's look like the ones in BGi ME, mine, I just took a thin piece of plywood and glued on a shaped piece of cardstock for the "elvish" look. Otherwise, it's not that difficult and fun to do, also looks way cool once the gaming board once done. You should post up an article in the Terrain/Natural section.

-Shnar Gru

I have, and soz about your redundancy- if it means getting yourself back on track, then don't bother with this site for weeks, k?


P.S surely someone would complain if there were a vandal on the site?
No worries, it's not too hard to occassionaly check things out and answer personal questions. It just becomes time-consuming to truly contribute and RL is currently keeping me from doing this. As for vandales, they rarely actually put usernames in their User Preferences. Vandales are the people who come once, see that you can change anything, vandalize a couple pages, and leave. I can usually see this from the Recent Changes page...

-Shnar Gru
Shanr Gru, If we had the moeny, wed all buy some products so youd aleats be able to keep your toilet. But I have no money, so you better hope some suckers elsewhere want the stuff your selling...

And if you dont have time for the website, I could run it... hehhehheh...

Neix J
wow you certainly know your stuff, well done! By the way, how do you get your name on the lists of usernames ?

Chief of the Barad-dur
Simple, just add the word Category Users somewhere on your user page. The Category Users page is merely a search page, searching for every page that has the word Category Users listed on it. Thus, some of the "users" listed are not actually users, but pages that use that word (like I think there are a couple Message Board pages there).

BTW, check out the Wiki Name topic for the usual way names are formatted on a wiki website. For example, to get your name directly linked to your page, you need to spell your name as it was saved within Wiki, i.e. Chied_Of_The_Barad-dur. IMHO, underscores should be avoided, just use multiple words squeezed together w/no spaces.

-Shnar Gru
Thanks!! By the way, I have changed my wikiname to Saruman
AHHH!! Another problem how do you get photos for your miniaturegallery ?

Great. I personally would not have chosen a book name but rather kept it original, but hey that's just me. Also, Wiki Name works better if there's more than one capital letter in your name. As it is now, you'll have to wrap your name with doublebrackets, like this: [[Saruman]].

As for photos, there's no way to upload on this site. To keep bandwidth problems down, I've decided to not host images. Rather, find a "free" site that will do it for you then just add a link here to the image. Check out the Community/FAQ for a listing of such sites.

-Shnar Gru
So am I allowed to run the site or not?

Neix J

Check out my articles. Why because no one else has and I really want someone to see them.

House Rules: Battle of the five armys,

Scenarios: Battle's of the Simmarillion expantion

Wise Wanderer

Could You PLZ Come & Look At My Page?


Um Shnar Gru Would It Be Possible to Change My Name to Capn Of Gondor With No Under Scores & Still Have My Page?


You can change that, I changed the name of your page so now all you need to do is change your username.

-King Of Gondor
Correct. There really is no such thing as a "user" on this kind of a wiki website. Rather, you have a User Preferences for your username. And as such, you can create a page with that same name, and it becomes your userpage. If you ever desire to change your name, just follow these two steps:

  • Change your username in the User Preferences to the new name you wish to be known as.
  • Change your userpage by clicking on the old page, and the link at the bottom of the page called "Rename this page", click on it to change it to the new username.

I hope that's clear.

-Shnar Gru
Yes thankyou Shnar Gru & King Of Gondor for all your help!

-Captain Of Gondor

Hiya, thanks for commenting on my page, I haven't been non much recently, hope your enjoying yourself. I have overcome all the exams, but now have an even harder school year ahead! Sigh.

By the way, Ive been playingon this mint internet game called Kingsofchaos at kings of chaos .com, If you click on the link below, you guys can become my officer and you can get soildiers and robb other armies, over 200 000 people play in total its great, just click on the link below and follow the instructions to become myofficer

It says im only ranked 12000 out of 200 000 but actually, most of my stats are ranked 1500! Its a really addictive gaem and great!

UGLUK1000 Category Users
Hey Shnar,How did you become a squire on the TLA without writing an article,Did you post lots of forums?Pleeeeezzz tell me!!

-Citadel Guard
What?!? I'm a Squire? I didn't even know that... I'll have to go check it out.

-Shnar Gru
You are correct, I am a squire. Not really sure why...

-Shnar Gru

Shnar, what do you think about having a painting competition here on wiki?

-King Of Gondor
Shnar Gru There Has Been A Vandaliser Who Has So Far Vandalised The Precious & Goblin Master Page I Have Fixed Up the Pages But Just to Let You Know ther IP Address Was I Hope I've Helped!

-Captain Of Gondor
Thanks, I'll keep my eyes open for that IP. Vandales normally leave us alone after they get their first jollies on destroying a page. If he returns and keeps vandalizing, I'll put him on the banned list.

As for a painting contest, I think contests would be fine, though it would be tricky to keep everyone honest, since there's no hardcoded way to determine who votes for what. Without a lot of time on my part (which I currently have none or you'd see me more active here ), the only way we could do it is something similar to the way Polls are conducted now. Just have a a PaintingContest? page or something, allow users to put in their images, then on a certain day, let every user have a vote...

-Shnar Gru
Well, Osbad has agreed to JUDGE the competition for us (which entries start today for :D)
So, I think that this will work better, because most people would want to enter the contest and then each person would just vote for themselves. Which isn't really goin to work. So, everyone GET THOSE ENTRIES IN! Yuo have until the 14th to enter and the winner will be announced on the 31st with a runner up.

-King Of Gondor
Hey King Of Gondor Why Don't We Just Put Up A Rule So That They CANT Vote For Themselves!

-Captain Of Gondor

Nah, i like having Osbad judging.

-King Of Gondor
What are the prizes?

-Citadel Guard

Ahhh... hmmm... ah... you'll see. Dont get your hopes up

-King Of Gondor
I was just jokin

-Citadel Guard

Hi Shnar Gru, I was wondering how do I get my name in the catorgory users page? And why do I have have to put [[ and ]] around my name to make it a link and other users dont?


Simple. To get your name on the Category Users page, all you have to do is add the word "CategoryUsers" to your homepage. All that the "category" pages are is search pages, looking for any and all pages that have that word on their pages. Kinda benign, but it works.

As for your name, look at the Wiki Name topic. In order for Wiki to automatically link a work, it has to have more than one capital letter, separated by lowercase letters. This is usually taken care of if you use more than one word in your name. If you do not, then you have to wrap the word with the double-brackets to sorta *force** Wiki to treat it as a wiki-link.

Is this clear?

-Shnar Gru

Cool thanks

Hey congrats on your article on the TLA,and yes I gave you a star!

-Citadel Guard
Thanks, I finally got around to posting it up. Next one I do will be the flets, but for that I've got to find the time to finish them

-Shnar Gru
I have read your coment

Captain Of Gondor Converter
               For ALL your converting needs

Good, did you understand it? We all want more members in our community, and these members need to understand proper "wiki-etitique". Also, don't forget to set your username in the User Preferences, that way we see a name instead of an IP address for you

-Shnar Gru
Hey Shnar Gru why arent you ever on msn?

-Captain Of Gondor
I am, I'm on all the time, if you're talking about MS Messenger. My account is

-Shnar Gru
Well, I see you on TLA all the time and that means time differences aren't a problem, but I have never seen you online. I have also sent you emails when you are on TLA to see if you will go on, but still I have no luck, you don't even go on the TLA or wiki IRC rooms! Please come on!!

-King Of Gondor
Strange, I've seen a couple other TLA and Wiki users (like Osbad), not sure why you can't see me. The chat rooms I can't connect to from work, due to the firewall...

-Shnar Gru

dont delete any pages as AnimalWizard? has been setting pages to be deleted and i havent changed them all bak yet

-Baruk Khazad
Most pages seem to be deprecated and there are a lot of plain stupid pages AnimalWizard? is creating. The site is getting totally trashed!

The Terrain Dude
I am AnimalWizard? and would like to make this statement.


I am The Converter's brother. He is #DEPRECATED ing everybody's pages. Even mine. If you want to blame someone blame him. Please leave me alone and stop blaming me. AnimalWizard?
I am NOT #DEPRECATEDing everybody's pages. The Converter says he's me and is deleting every thing. blame him not me. AnimalWizard?
Why should we believe you AnimalWizard? everything was working fine until you came along and you have created loads of paged which just waste space!

The Terrain Dude
You've given The Converter A Bad Name!

-Captain Of Gondor
The problem is we don't really know if this is truly two different people or not. If The Converter's younger brother is truly doing this damage, this means that he knows to change his name in the User Preferences, and has taken the time to do so. Most vandales don't take the time to leave a signature, they just vandalize and move on. We've had other problems with The Converter deleting pages and taking credit for other's work, so I'm not sure who to trust.

Even if we assume that everything he's said is true (which I'm willing to do), if AnimalWizard? can't be reigned in and controlled, both users will be banned since I can only ban via IP Address, and not specific user account...

-Shnar Gru
Hey Shnar Gru, great job on your battle report for the tla, it looks very popular, alot of good feedback, is today (Thursday the 11th)a day off in the U.S. which im pretty sure it is, thanks for doin all that clean up on the site!

-Citadel Guard
Thanks. I hate messy sites, so I'll come in every now and then and just do clean ups. And I'm glad the Battle Report turned out as good as it did. I based the overall layout as they do it in White Dwarf, which might be why it looks good. And as I've said many places, it was one of the funnest articles I've written so far

I just hope I can get Issue #2 done before the end of the week :/

-Shnar Gru
I think that there should be something on the side of the page that states who is on this website at the time and how many. Will you please see to this. Thanx

Dear Mr shnar. I think you'll find that i have found a loop hole in your security system. I AM BACK!!! See if you can work it out.

The Person Everybody Hates
Hey shnar sorry bout deprecating page but didnt realize it was an actual page caus ive never been on it before.

The Terrain Dude
No worries, it happens, since most vandales are either a complete removal of all text, or a complete replacal of ****-text.

-Shnar Gru

Welcome to the site! For any help, just ask me.

-Lasta Greyshield
You're welcoming Shnar? He created this site

-King Of Gondor

-Captain Of Gondor


-Lord Aragorn Elessar671

fooooool of a took

-Baruk Khazad
Well, we're all a jolly lot today.

-Ranger of the North


-Baruk Khazad

Oops! lol

-Lasta Greyshield
LMAO! Oh and good choice on blocking the vandale posting all the links

The Terrain Dude
Is it just me, or is Shnar Gru not around much anymore?

Neix J
Yeh seems that way, but im sure a while ago he posted something saying that he wouldnt be around as much

The Terrain Dude
Ah, I see.

Neix J
Nah, I'm here, continually monitoring for vandales. Since I've been so busy RL, I haven't done much Lot R work lately, so I don't have much to contribute in the ways of articles. I still have that one BattleReport? to finish with my son (got my notes and some images) for BGi ME #2, but other then that, I'll be in the background until RL lets me get back into the game.

-Shnar Gru
Have you checked the comments on your Battle Report? If you have, nevermind, if you havent, check now!!!

Neix J
Please help. As i am new, how do i create links to other personal pages, such as a battle report page, or a terrian page?

-Marshall Of The Mark
Look at Wiki Name and WikiLinks? for some specifics. In general, you take many words, capitalize each word and squish it together into one word. Then wiki will know that this is meant to be a link. For example, if you type in MarshallOfTheMark (see how we have four words, Marshall, Of, The, and Mark, but they are squished together into one word) you will see a link to Marshall Of The Mark.

To create new pages, the easiest way to do this is to edit an existing page and enter in a new multi-word word. When you save it, if that new word exists, there will be a little questionmark next to the word. Clicking on it will go to the page that allows you to create the new page. For example, you should see the question mark next to this word: ThisIsALinkToANewPage?. If you click on that question mark, you'll create a new page.

Sub pages are those "grouped" into a specific page, in a hierarchical fashion. To create a new subpage, you need the master page, a forward slash, and the child page. For example, your Miniature page should be MarshallOfTheMark/MiniatureGallery?.


Shnar Gru
Annoying Vandals... Why don't you just block every Vandal that Vandalises this page?

-Lasta Greyshield
I'm pretty lenient with vandales. There's a couple reasons that I don't just block every vandale:
  • Currently, we can only block based on IP Address. Since most people have dynamic addresses, they tend to change, so blocking IP Address #1 will only work for a short period of time. Next time the user logs in, he'll have IP Address #2, and we'd have to block that as well, making blocking a difficult proposition in general.
  • Blocking who IP domains (for example has the potential of blocking people who arn't vandales. That's a problem, which is why I dislike blocking.
  • Most vandales are one-time only offenders. They get a kick out of vandalizing, wreck a couple pages, leave and never come back. We are much more dedicated to this site than the vandalizers are, i.e. we come back every day, the vandalizer will almost never return. As such, it's easier to repair the damage than to block.
  • Blocking is a hardcoded event, only I can do it. Fixing pages, anyone can fix it, so again it's easier to fix than block.
  • It's so easy to fix a vandale, that also makes me lean towards fixing instead of blocking.

Hope that explains it a bit more...

-Shnar Gru
I think everyone who comes to this site as their first time shoudl have to enter a name for them to be known as, so you can just ban them through that name instead of their ever-changing IP address. If possible, of course.

-Ranger of the North
But what happens if someone just enters "Shnar Gru" as the name? That's the main reason I don't force someone to enter in a username before editing a page...

-Shnar Gru
Same thing could happen with user preferences - I could put in King Of Gondor as my User Preferences name and get Ko G in alot of trouble and... hey... thats a good idea! Wont do it though <.< >.>

Neix J

You're website is amazind but takes ages to load because it is so big. I'm new to this site and I don't know many tricks. How do you make links on your page instead of having 1 long page?

Yeah, some pages (like my own) are getting larger and larger. I might do some cleaning up here in a bit, deleting old messages. As for making links, check out Wiki Name. In rough, you just make multiple words squished together, with each word capitalized. To make "child" pages, add the forward-slash character.

-Shnar Gru
Hey Shnar Gru du you think you could judge the convertion comp.

Hey, i am having tons of trouble trying to find an image hosting system. I have lots of photos i could share but annoyingly i cannot put any of them down. PLLLEAAASSSSEEEE HHEEELLLPP MMMMEEEE!!!!!

-Marshall Of The Mark
Just read about that idiot vandel before. The way someone can just log on and destroy a page that might have taken hours to produce is kinda scary. Are you sure there are not extra security measures that you can take? (apart from blocking)

-Marshall Of The Mark

No fear dude. Just go to veiw other revisons and you'll find all the other versions of your page just click on them then save them. Somehow that didn't work once but it did for me. All of my articles got deleted once.

Wise Wanderer
Yeah, that works well if someone messes w/ your stuff, or if you just accidentally delete something.

Retarded Geek

how do you add photo's to an article?
You have to have another server host it (it helps keep bandwidth down on this server), then just put a image link to it.

-Shnar Gru
More than happy to help. I must say that it is good to have a lot of spare time to help out, now I've finished Uni.

-The Precious

Wow! You've finished UNI. An ICT course wasn't it? Its been ages!! Since I've been here. I've forgetten all the code. I just thought Id pop on seeing as it was still in my favourites. Have a Merry Christmas!

UGLUK1000 Just wanted to say hi , did you really make this site? Palando
Hey Shnar Gru, What the hell happened? The site went AWOL for weeks.

-The Precious
Yeah, my bad. The creditcard I was using to pay for the hosting had expired and the company for some reason didn't contact me, so the site effectively expired. I got so busy RL that I hadn't viewed the site for a good 3 weeks and then saw it was down. I contacted the company, paid the back bills, got them to restore the hosting and files, etc, which took almost another week all said. We're here, and even though I have trouble finding time for this hobby, the site will be here for a long time.

Sorry about the hiccup,

-Shnar Gru

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